NVMe SSDs and the question of how fast they can flush writes to flash

Over on the Fediverse, I had a question I've been wondering about :

Disk drive people, sysadmins, etc: would you expect NVMe SSDs to be appreciably faster than SATA SSDs for a relatively low bandwidth fsync() workload (eg 40 Mbytes/sec + lots of fsyncs)?

My naive thinking is that AFAIK the slow bit is writing to the flash chips to make things actually durable when you ask, and it's basically the same underlying flash chips, so I'd expect NVMe to not be much faster than SATA SSDs on this narrow workload.

This is probably at least somewhat wrong. This 2025 SSD hierarchy article doesn't explicitly cover forced writes to flash (the fsync() case), but it does cover writing 50 GBytes of data in 30,000 files, which is probably enough to run any reasonable consumer NVMe SSD out of fast write buffer storage (either RAM or fast flash). The write speeds they get on this test from good NVMe drives are well over the maximum SATA data rates, so there's clearly a sustained write advantage to NVMe SSDs over SATA SSDs.

In replies on the Fediverse, several people pointed out that NVMe SSDs are likely using newer controllers than SATA SSDs and these newer controllers may well be better at handling writes. This isn't surprising when I thought about it, especially in light of NVMe perhaps overtaking SATA for SSDs , although apparently 'enterprise' SATA/SAS SSDs are still out there and probably seeing improvements (unlike consumer SATA SSDs where price is the name of the game).

Also, apparently the real bottleneck in writing to the actual flash is finding erased blocks or, if you're unlucky, having to wait for blocks to be erased. Actual writes to the flash chips may be able to go at something close to the PCIe 3.0 (or better) bandwidth, which would help explain the Tom's Hardware large write figures ( cf ).

(If this is the case, then explicitly telling SSDs about discarded blocks is especially important for any write workload that will be limited by flash write speeds, including fsync() heavy workloads.)

PS: The reason I'm interested in this is that we have a SATA SSD based system that seems to have periodic performance issues related enough write IO combined with fsync()s (possibly due to write buffering interactions ), and I've been wondering how much moving it to be NVMe based might help. Since this machine uses ZFS, perhaps one thing we should consider is manually doing some ZFS 'TRIM' operations .